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Pretty sure I just said nothing against you. Alot was not said to me and thats mainly why i was unhappy with the situation. A simple phone call to explain a situation or ask what I wanted to do was never made. I was simply given back the broken car with parts pulled of it and then had to rely on one side of the story for all my facts. However, before the fact, I told YOU to adjust the boost and then you relied on someone else to do that and it was boost spiked on the street. It was then put on a dyno for whatever reason after it was already broken. Its done and over now. The motor has been rebuilt bigger and better. It will be taken to someone I have trust in or i'll just tune it myself like everything else so the above does not happen again.
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I'm not even going respond to you because its pointless but just so you know for future reference... one turn = 3lbs on a turbonetics boost controller. I told you that the day before you tuned it but i guess you forgot. Its not guess and check. Also, your own friends on honda tech told me to tell you to "stop being a pussy and tune the car on the street". Theres no reason 400-450 hp can't be tuned on the street safely. The guy tuning it has tuned numerous sohc's including a few that made 400-1450 hp and one that made 481 hp. I'm sure it will be right since he actually has experience with high hp sohc's
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I'm not even going respond to you because its pointless but just so you know for future reference... one turn = 3lbs on a turbonetics boost controller. I told you that the day before you tuned it but i guess you forgot. Its not guess and check. Also, your own friends on honda tech told me to tell you to "stop being a pussy and tune the car on the street". Theres no reason 400-450 hp can't be tuned on the street safely. The guy tuning it has tuned numerous sohc's including a few that made 400-1450 hp and one that made 481 hp. I'm sure it will be right since he actually has experience with high hp sohc's
Also...I'd like to know who you are finding that can tune a sohc honda to 1450 hp because i'd like to personally shake their hand. That would be pretty much defying the laws of physics with a d series engine. Not to mention you'd have a hard time finding many dohc honda 4cylinders even brushing that kind of power.
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well depending on your car, not the arguments on here, you can def go to www.inlinpro.com and they will def hook you up. I would also recomend Brian Fisher, if you can, or Norris, again, if you can. (might depend on if you know them to be able to get them to work on it for you.)
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I tune cars on the street all the time. It's definitely not impossible at all. Spark plugs and a knock sensor will go a long ways. It really depends on the setup though. A lot of hondas don't have knock sensors so you'd basicly be going by feel and spark plug reading, which can still get it pretty close to right. It's easier on the dyno but plenty possible on the street. A 0-5v sensor helps a lot because you can see the engine noise and tell when you're close to the threshold. Going straight off torque readings on the dyno is only so accurate, every car is different. Different turbos, cam setups, motors, etc will all have different torque curves so going off a torque reading is never going to be more than a ballpark. Unless the motor is already on it's last leg or something, tuning at the knock threshold isn't really a big deal as long as you're careful. Usually you'll see some noise before the point where you're doing damage unless you're on C16 or alky or something similar. You're not tuning RX7s here. Piston engines will take a heavy beating. Though I can't say for sure, I don't mess with hondas often, maybe they are just as bad?
As for the boost controller, every car is different. I've seen some where 1 turn = 5 lbs and I've seen some that were 5 turns = 1 lb. sometimes it also changes depending on how much boost you're already running. I never turn one more than 1 turn at a time though. never know.
shue is correct about the spinning though. you can't accurately tune a car if it's spinning bad.
As for the boost controller, every car is different. I've seen some where 1 turn = 5 lbs and I've seen some that were 5 turns = 1 lb. sometimes it also changes depending on how much boost you're already running. I never turn one more than 1 turn at a time though. never know.
shue is correct about the spinning though. you can't accurately tune a car if it's spinning bad.
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I tune cars on the street all the time. It's definitely not impossible at all. Spark plugs and a knock sensor will go a long ways. It really depends on the setup though. A lot of hondas don't have knock sensors so you'd basicly be going by feel and spark plug reading, which can still get it pretty close to right. It's easier on the dyno but plenty possible on the street. A 0-5v sensor helps a lot because you can see the engine noise and tell when you're close to the threshold. Going straight off torque readings on the dyno is only so accurate, every car is different. Different turbos, cam setups, motors, etc will all have different torque curves so going off a torque reading is never going to be more than a ballpark. Unless the motor is already on it's last leg or something, tuning at the knock threshold isn't really a big deal as long as you're careful. Usually you'll see some noise before the point where you're doing damage unless you're on C16 or alky or something similar. You're not tuning RX7s here. Piston engines will take a heavy beating. Though I can't say for sure, I don't mess with hondas often, maybe they are just as bad?
I used to tune higher power cars on the street all the time too and I still do for lower power setups, but its just so much easier to be in a controled environment like the dyno with torque readouts. With a high power fwd car its just hard to do but so much on the street. I do use a homemade det can to listen for knock as well.
Honda engines are definately more finiky than some engines like dsm's for instance. Those engines can take quite a beating before letting go as i'm sure you know. Also with d series espescially having such a small bore timing needs to be on point as combustion can become uncontrollable quite easily. They cant make as much power on pump gas as a higher bore b series either.
Personally thats just how i feel about street tuning. If he wants to take it to someone that feels comfortable with doing it on the street then thats fine. Its just not the way i like to personally do things.
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